[VintageLambo] Re: Espada/Islero window motor

Hi Nick, I have not been able to find a replacement motor yet. The four wire motor only came on Maserati QP1 cars and I think a Citroen DS21 Pallias. As for the Islero, it"s good bet that"s what you have. Do you recall if the motor was cylidrical, or sandwich shaped? The sandwich shape is two wire. Also, if you have a switch console in the center, with two small black Ducellier switches, you probably have the 4 wire motors. The 2 wire motors are fairly easy to find as they were used on many Euro cars with auto windows. Fiat 130, Alfa Spyder from a prev post, and even my Mondial has a 2 wire sandwich type motor. It looks like I will be going to the two wire motor with a pair of relays per door to swap the 12V and grd around. When I get the circuit drawn I will share it with the group and some photos of the mounting I"m planning within the door. As for the pully, any year of Fiat X1/9, or later years of the Fiat Spyder has the perfect setup. The pullies are plastic not pot metal, deeper grooved, come with a stepped shaft, and with threads to just bolt into your old hole. Getting the old pully out requires drilling the mushroomed back of the stepped shaft as it"s not threaded. Use lifter lube on the pullies before installing as a moisture barrier. Doc --- In VintageLambo@yahoogroups.com, "dryheat128 " wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Once again, my question pertains to the Islero, and I see from this > thread that the Espada has a wire and pulley system, much like I > recall seeing when I had my non-S Islero interior door panels off a > few years ago, unlike the crank setup described by Jack Riddell in > the 400 GT2+2 window mechanisms. > > At any rate, one of my window lifts works, and the other has a bad > motor.As Doc has stated, there are different motors with 4 wires > and 2 wires.Would all Isleros have the same 4 wire motor as the > early Espadas did from the same build year, i.e., 1968, as Doc refers > to?A cross-reference for each of these window-lift motors in both > Islero and Espada (and other models as well) would be much > appreciated... Alfa, Fiat, Cadillac or otherwise... and especially > the 4 wire motor which Doc says is difficult to find. > > I have a New Ducellier power window switch with 4-terminals on each > of the two window switches, Part Number 17468, but I may need to use > it for my repair.If my existing switch is okay, I can offer the new > one for sale. > > Any cross-ref"s for the Islero window motors? > > Thank you. > > Nick > 68 Islero #6180 > > P.S.I guess I could remove the door covers again, and see exactly > what type of window motor I have, but maybe a member already knows > the answer for the non-S and Islero S. > > > --- In VintageLambo@yahoogroups.com, "docmirror " > wrote: > > Well, I thought my problems were solved, but no! The S2 and S3 use a > > two wire system, where the motor is slender with flat sides. My car > > uses a four wire, round canister motor setup from Ducellier. > > Apparently, much more difficult to find. Still searching, but the > > chances are I"ll be rebuilding mine. The reference for the Alfa, and > > Fiat 130 are both for the two wire. > > > > Doc