Re: [VintageLambo] WAS: V 12 Jalpa. NOW: Herman vs. Laust.

Guys: It was actually Laust that made the first reference to the track ("Willow Springs or Button Willow"); see message 306 (link and original text below). Of course this *is* all in "good fun". However, I think it would have real value to get some actual hard data on just how effective the various modifications to our cars can be, whether by clever home tinkering or by mega-dollar professional shops. I am not seeking to recreate the Corvette vs. Diablo threads, but who has real world, measured, performance data for modified cars? Burtoni ran some cars at Bonneville, but beyond that, are there any sources for how much power Lambo"s generate (whether with turbo"s, supercharged or normally aspirated) and/or how fast Lambo"s can be made to go? BTW, this may indeed be the wrong list for this inquiry, so I will post it to the big list as well, so if anyone on the Vintage list wants to answer/discuss, please go to the big list: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/lamborghini_info/ Roy -- with apologies to Bill S. -- never intended to offend, nor measure body parts :-) http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/VintageLambo/message/306 From:"lgpdk " Date:Mon Dec 16, 20029:39 pm Subject:Re: The 1st V 12 Jalpa ...ala Filippo Cusimano (with Chad"s blessings-) Hi Jack, I will happily pick up the glove. He has a point about gearing (top speed) though. I"ll run out of rpm (=7500) at 150 mph, but am sure to compensate with better power and handling. An alternative to Furnace Creek could be best time in one of the open events on Willow Springs or Button Willow. Judging by Herman"s email, he need not worry about the future "tremendous exhaust sound" there seems to be plenty of noise from that direction already. Best regards, Laust PS The pictures of my project will come, when I have more time. hermanlewis3rd wrote: >>>Maybe we could just get them both to whip their dicks out and submit to measurement (and no, I am not volunteering to be a judge on that one). Bill <<< WHAT THE HELL is all this nonsence?!Chill OUT Brothers- I really don"t give a damn whose car is faster or quicker or cleaner etc... oy-vey! *grin* They are ALL works of art in my humble opinion. Laust & I are both on the same page when it comes to LOVING OUR LAMBORGHINI"s... and a little teasing & competition never hurt anyone; unless you"re thin skined and woke up on the wrong side of the bed- AND Yeah, we all want to go faster, but at what cost to reliability and loss of orginality?!I know that the Jalpa engine has limitations (after some serious dialog with Al Burtoni and other"s in the know...)I feel confident which direction to go... and that there are specific areas to be careful, cyclender bank flex etc... but there is definitly a lot of room for improvement according to everyone- As it turns out, the time involved to custom fabricate the Miura engine into my Jalpa is so time consuming I"m having second thoughts...and this, as it turns out makes the whole Jalpa project(s) even MORE interesting because my engine is perfect on the bottom end... NOW, we will both be V8 to V8 and as soon as Filippo returns from Italy we will begin the rebuild & mod"s- there could be a twin turbo (ala Laust) or maybe supercharger???All I will say for now is that my Jalpa will be beautifully built !!! I will still keep an open mind to the Miura swap, yet I just don"t want to wait a year to have "Baby Black" back on the road!I want her running ASAP- -and frankly, sword fight... SWORD FIGHT! *GRIN* (cough) you homo"s... I don"t recall making ANY comment that went in the direction of a challenge to build a better car than Laust... -except I"d love to see my freind Laust join in on a Furnace Creek Run- for FUN! I think the race / challenge came from another poster? Best Regards & Happy Holidays to ALL... HLL3 http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/hll